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Radio Arkivo... Nebraska...

Ailanto's picture

Anybody here know what's going on with http://radioarkivo.org? Kinda looks like it's been abandoned. (I wrote a bunch of episode summaries for the archive several years ago, mostly for Radio 3ZZZ. Oh, well, I've got them backed up somewhere.) While investigating I found that http://esperantonebraska.org (another site related to Scott REDD) is also broken. Strange, it appears to be owned by somebody in China, and the record was created on November 11 (http://reports.internic.net/cgi/whois?whois_nic=esperantonebraska.org&type=domain); one registration analysis site says that Qin Shu Tong owns 14,454 domains!

by Ailanto

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Maintenance of effort

limako's picture

One thing that the Esperanto community does poorly is to provide maintenance of effort. Esperantists tend to be somewhat individualistic and iconoclastic (duh), and this inclines them to all want to build their own project, rather than supporting someone else's existing project. The net result is that we have a lot of ephemeral sites and don't manage the long-term support very well. It's a huge problem, because it presents an amateurish face for Esperanto to the world and discourages people when they find all the abandoned projects. We should work together to have a smaller number of really good sites and find ways to maintain effort so that they don't go black when one person burns out.

November 28, 2009 by limako, 2 years 10 weeks ago

Maintenance of effort . . .

Lee Miller's picture

Very well said. Exactly on target. But I'm not sure what the solution is. Most of the things we're talking about are indeed private projects . . . thing of Don Harlow's web site, really a lifetime of labor, but his own possession. Same with Frank Luin's eLibrejo, etc.

We don't really have systems in place, anywhere in Esperantujo that I know of, to assure the survival of these resources.

What to do, what to do . . . I think one step might be for E-USA to take sponsorship of say, the preservation of Don Harlow's site as a US-based treasure. How feasible that is, I don't know.

Lee

November 28, 2009 by Lee Miller, 2 years 10 weeks ago

Steps

limako's picture

In part, the problem is the result of rapid technology change. People have been exploring the technology and only now are we coming to grips with the long-term implications of building and maintaining websites. Over the next few years, hopefully people will naturally migrate toward sustainable solutions as the issue becomes more well known.

Using standard content management systems (like Drupal) is a huge advantage. Nothing is harder to maintain than some home grown system. And at E-USA we chose very well in selecting Drupal: it has become the most popular system with an extremely large and active user and developer base.

I think the main thing is for people to choose to get involved in on-going projects rather than to try to build their own. We need to take what we have and make it better (and improve its sustainability) rather than to construct something new.

Also, on-going projects should make it easier for people to get involved. I think we've done a fairly good job at E-USA: we have a reasonably large pool of people who are retpagxestroj and editors. And we have a mailing list that is at least semi-active where ideas get floated on how to make the site better. Which isn't to say that we don't have huge needs: many parts of the site are in need of being updated. And I've tried several times to get someone to help improve our taxonomy system: the site would be more usable if we had a clearer taxonomy.

If someone wanted to migrate Don Harlow's content into the E-USA content management system, it would make a nice project and it would make it possible for other people to contribute, improve, and extend the collection of materials.

November 28, 2009 by limako, 2 years 10 weeks ago

Alia ligilo

formiko's picture

Oni povas viziti :
http://web.archive.org/web/20080822004740/http://radioarkivo.org/
Archive.org estas la plej bona inventado. :)

November 27, 2009 by formiko, 2 years 10 weeks ago

I think I found it.....

Monkus's picture

January 26, 2010 by Monkus, 2 years 1 week ago

kinda sorta

Ailanto's picture

At first I thought, wow!, they archived the archive! But it links back to Radio Arkivo, so doesn't work anymore. :-(

January 27, 2010 by Ailanto, 2 years 1 week ago

Kinda sorta sometimes...

Monkus's picture

Yeah, there are quite a few broken links there, but there are also quite a few that work. It's a trial and error kind of thing. It seems that there are certain "shows" that no longer work and those that do. Not a meal, but certainly a snack.

February 5, 2010 by Monkus, 2 years 3 days ago

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