Ekzamenoj estas utilaj
Mi faras la ekzamenojn je lernu.net. Mi sukcesis je nivelo a (baza), sed malsukcesis je nivelo b (meza). Estis du afero mi ne komprenis. Do, jen:
1) Mi estas pripenseonta tion morgaŭ. Kial la n-formo?
Nu, ĉar "tio" estas objekto de "pripensi." Eĉ se tiu verbo ne estas en la frazo, la signifo ja estas. Do, devas esti "tion." (Kaj, kompreneble, "pripenseonta" ne havas -n, ĉar ĝi akordas kun "mi," ne kun "tio.")
2) Iru trans la straton. Refoje, kial la n-formo?
Nu, ĝuste kiel aliaj uzoj de -n por montri movon al:
- Mi iras trans la straton: Mi iras al loko ĉe la fora flanko de la strato.
- Mi iras trans la strato: Mi estas ĉe la fora flanko de la strato kaj mi iras (ien).
(Ŝajne ne nur mi malbone komprenas la diferencon. En ReVo la dua difino de "trans" estas "trans ...-n" markita kiel evitinde.)
Mi ne scias, kiam mi lernus pri tio, se mi ne faris la ekzamenon. Do: ekzamenoj estas utilaj.
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pripenseonta? aŭ pripensonta?
Certe vi volis diri pripensonta aŭ pripensonte, ne pripenseonta! How did that "e" get in there before the participle construction? I suppose a case could be made for it there, but my mind shudders at the complexity of "I am thinking-about-ly-going-to-be that tomorrow"!
May 20, 2010 by frimmin, 3 years 5 days ago
Trans + akuzativo, ekzamenoj
"La kolera hundo saltis trans la barilo." --> Don't worry, it's safe on the other side, jumping up and down.
"La kolera hundo saltis trans la barilon." --> Watch out, it jumped across the fence and is coming your way!
I'm not sure that's a hard and fast rule, though, but it seems to fit with the pattern established by "en","sur","sub",etc.
I agree that exams are useful. I failed the "nivelo C" exam several times before finally succeeding. And then, after all that, I still failed "nivelo B" the first time I took it. The lernu! exams are quite picky, and we all have a lot to learn!
At the LK, AAIE and the Usona Ekzamena Servo may be administering exams. There are three levels -- komencgrada, duagrada, and supera. I seem to remember that the supera exam is about on the level of lernu's "nivelo B", but it's been a long time since I took the AAIE exams.
UEA / ILEI has exams now, too. Their supera exam looks intense, with a 20-page essay requirement, an essay defense, and more.
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May 15, 2009 by Tim Westover, 4 years 1 week ago
I believe "tion" is the
I believe "tion" is the object of the future participle "pripensonta". Objects of a participle are still objects, and get the -n.
At PMEG ( http://bertilow.com/pmeg/gramatiko/participoj/a-vortoj.html ) there is an example "Li estis skribinta la leteron."
PMEG also says that you can use -n with trans if you want to emphasize the motion, but it is optional.
http://bertilow.com/pmeg/gramatiko/rolmontriloj/rolvortetoj/lokaj_rolvor...
May 15, 2009 by Yekrats, 4 years 1 week ago
Yeah, participles take
Yeah, participles take akuzative objects. Even in adverb form: "Trinkinte la kafon, mi pagis kaj foriris." (Aux io tia)
Pri la dua afero, ankaux mi ne rimarkis "trans ..n" kiam mi faris tiun ekzamenon.
May 17, 2009 by kvarko, 4 years 1 week ago
Right
In fact, I'd seen and noticed those (adverbial participles with objects) many times, which is what led me astray: Seeing the participle with an object, I answered the test question with an adverbial form, rather than an adjectival form.
I suppose I must have seen adjectivals with objects many times too, but I guess I never noticed.
May 17, 2009 by pbrewer, 4 years 1 week ago